Bump Out Window on 2nd floor


ChiefAmatuerJay
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I'm working on a personal project for a medium sized Queen Anne Victorian home, and I can't seem to get the master bedroom's front window to come out correctly. I'm trying to put in is a 7'-4" wide x 2' deep bump out with a paladian window and sidelights in it. This window will begin just above where the roof for the front porch attaches, but that roof is not yet drawn in yet, and the bump will also have a bench seat in it when complete. The problem as you can see here, is that the bump is not ending at the correct height, and as such doesn't get a little hip roof attached. For whatever reason the sides of the bump out keep extending up to the roof while it deletes that part of the wall behind it, even though I have all the bump walls set to the same height as the front wall of the bump. I'm not exactly sure Home Designer Pro can do what I'm asking, it does seem to get confused by certain things I try, but that could just be my inexperience with the product. (I normally use Bentley Systems Microstation for design, and this is just very new with me.) Does anyone here know what I may need to do to correct this?

 

Thanks in advance,

Jay

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1) Please fill out your Signature -- see below.

 

2) It really helps to use an occasional blank line instead of running everything together -- makes your description easier to comprehend.

 

3) If you are modeling an existing structure, posting an picture or two will help clarify what you want.

 

4) Posting the plan file (make sure it's not open in Pro) gives someone something to work on.

 

5) My guess is because the bump out is under an existing roof overhang, the program is seeing that as its roof. Pro is capable of doing this as you have the ability to draw your own roof planes. 

 

I'll also suggest you add the porch roof, as it may interact with the bump out.

 

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Hmmm... I didn't see where to add what version I was using in my profile, so I just tagged this message with the Home Designer Pro 2018. I'll look again. I actually have not broken the wall behind the bump out, so on the plan it appears as 2' x 7' room. I tried breaking the back wall earlier and that didn't seem to affect this. This particular structure only exists in my head as of now. Well, it also exists in Microstation, but that program is completely manual. I have tried setting the ceiling height in that little "room" to just 8' and I set all three walls of the bump out to that. What I don't understand is why the two side walls extend all the way to the roof. I would think when I set them to end at the ceiling line, that they would stop there.

 

I'm not real sure i want to post the actual plan file as it's still in a fairly raw development state.I can do that if it's really necessary, however.

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28 minutes ago, ChiefAmatuerJay said:

and I set all three walls of the bump out to that. What I don't understand is why the two side walls extend all the way to the roof.

 

You don't set walls to a specific height, they are set via the ceiling height, or by a roof plane.

 

If you want answers instead of guesses, post the plan. No one will judge you.

 

 

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OK, here's the plan file. The specific problems are:

 

1)The second floor gable above the window bump out. I did place an exterior attic wall over this area, and it looks correct when I open it, but it's not rendering correctly.

2) The soffits in the second floor master bedroom are sticking out above the roof line. I haven't found a way to clean these up. but what I'd like to illustrate here is an arched ceiling between these soffits mirroring to some extent the palladian window at the front, and it shouldn't exceed that roof line.

3) That palladian window should be much higher up on the second floor wall. I originally had the floor in this bumbout 24" higher than the second floor. but it seems to have tied itself to part of the porch structure. So, when I adjust it back up, it stretches the porch columns up by the sameVistorian_100.thumb.jpg.d3fc59afe9f65fb758fc04ae7a3a7747.jpg amount. Why?

3) When I auto-generate the porch roof at the front, it radically screws up the 2nd floor roof at the rear of the house, along with screwing up the garage roof. I haven't figure why for these yet either.

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That's probably exactly what I was trying to get. So, could you either explain how you fixed this or re-post the plan, if you just altered what I send out? I'd really like to know what you did. And, I''ll have to look into ceiling planes, that's a term I am unaware of, but I haven't found curved ceiling planes in Pro, yet.

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Special thanks to everyone, and especially to David J. Potter for his excellent video tutorial on my issue. Everything looks great now on my plan. Now, I just need to finish everything up, and I'm sure I'll be back here for more information.

 

Keep Austin Weird, David.

--

Jay, a former Austin-ite.

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You are very welcome, not to worry about Austin, with the State politicians, lobbyists, University of Texas rabid fans and left-leaning Staff and Teachers, and right-wing conservative alumni Austin's enate weirdness is safe and sound. I am still here too you know.

 

DJP                          

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Yes.Jo Ann, that's what I was hoping to build. So, was this done with ceiling planes? Or did you work some other magic?

 

And LawB10, I fixed those issues last night before I saw your post. Like I've mentioned this plan is still pretty raw, and I really need to clean it up.

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You need to delete the soffits, and then use the room divider wall to divide the room into 3 separate rooms.  Set the left & right rooms to the default ceiling height (95 5/8). Set the middle room to 120".  Keep the bump-out separate, and set to the default (95 5/8).

 

You will find the arch in the library: Exteriors / Landscaping / Arbors and Arches /  ARCH.

Set it's height to 0",  and move it into the middle ceiling area. It will take some finagling to size it and position it just right.  :)

 

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Hey, Jo Ann, I've got arch in, but I can't seem to get it 0" off the ceiling without it sticking way down into the room. Or if I set the bottom to the adjacent ceiling height, then it sticks way above the middle ceiling plane. What do you mean by "set the default to 95 5/8"? Or am I missing something here?

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Uploading a new jpeg doesn't take 25mb. :)

Do a 'save as' for your file.  You now have a copy of the file (original file is safe), and should delete ALL the decorations and extras (furniture). Save the file and upload this new plan (under 25mb?).  Alternative is to send the file to a zipped folder (which may reduce the file size to below 25mb).

 

By the way, you CAN auto-build the entire roof.  Sometimes this is preferable, because the roof planes will all be correctly joined.

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