dmacgregor Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Hello. I just purchased HD Suites 2018 after trying both Suites and Pro. I am adding a garage to my house and I wanted to quickly draw up some designs for the architect as a guide. I noticed that I can't do Manual Roofs with the Suites. Despite this limitation, can I be expected to achieve the same results when it comes to roofs as I would with Pro 2018? I am trying to draw a shed-style roof sloping away from the main house and I can't find a way to do it in Suites. It was easy in Pro. Thanks Doug 3414 Panmure Road with garage.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo_Ann Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 ??????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 I don't understand your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jo_Ann Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Your file is a hot mess. I don't think anyone will be able to figure out what kind of look that you are trying to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, solver said: 1) Please fill out your Signature -- see below. 2) Open Help, search for shed roof. Information is there. -------------- It helps if we know what title (Suite, Pro etc) and version (2014, 2015 etc) you are using. You can add this info to your signature by clicking on your user name at the top right of the page, click Account Settings, then Signature on the left. Doing so makes it always available, and this info is often key to providing a good suggestion Resources for self help: The built in Help System (always a good place to start) Getting Started Knowledge Base YouTube My first sentence mentioned that I was using HD Suites 2018. I understand the importance of including my current package in my Signature and I will do that ASAP. I apologize for not being clearer about what I was trying to achieve. I am attaching some pictures and screen captures of my first attempt with the Trial Version of HD Pro 2018. Edited September 28, 2017 by dmacgregor Adding pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 I have an updated Plan File. 3414 Panmure Road with garage.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Here are some additional screen shots of my first attempt last month before purchase. I did not have a lot of time to evaluate as there was too much going on. I did the best I could and watched some "how to" Youtube videos. I got close. Home Designer Pro Trial.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The house shown in the above photos will be hard to impossible to model in Suite. It can easily be done in Home Designer Pro once you learn how to manipulate its manual roof tools. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 Thank you for your honest assessment David. I guess I bought the wrong package. Cheers Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawB10 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Hold on, Here's a barebones version of the plan to get the roof extensions use the room divider tool. Then turn off Auto rebuild roofs and delete the invisible walls. Macgregor-1.planMacgregor-1.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidJPotter Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I defer to LawB10 in that he and some others here seem to be more facile with non-Home Designer Pro titles than myself. He has obviously figured out how to do what you need done in Suite. I have been spoiled for years by Chief Premier's manual roof tools. DJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 29, 2017 Author Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, LawB10 said: Hold on, Here's a barebones version of the plan to get the roof extensions use the room divider tool. Then turn off Auto rebuild roofs and delete the invisible walls. Macgregor-1.planMacgregor-1.plan Thank you LawB10. You didn't have to do that but I really appreciate it. I'll just have to move the garage to the other side of the house. I'll try out your tips. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 If you don't mind LawB10 I have some questions. 1. I can't find the :"room divider" tool you mentioned. 2. I don't understand why the 2nd floor plan shows 2 side walls for the garage. Why are they there since the garage is only a 1 storey structure? 3. The same goes for the Living Room with the cathedral ceiling. 4. Did you draw it using Suites? 5. What are the little red icons next to the 2nd floor walls? Thanks Doug 3414 Panmure Road with garage-2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawB10 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Doug, Please use the tutorials, reference manuals and anything else that helps you understand how the software operates. To answer you're questions: 1. Click on the wall tool (the upside down triangle) and a drop down list will appear. 2. Whenever you gable a wall, the software creates a "attic wall". 4. Yes 5. Electrical Outlets Click on everything in the plan I sent, to see what was done, it will help understand how the house was created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 I'm studiously going thru the Tutorials and Reference Manuals. 1. Got it. Staring me right in the face. 2. Understood. 4. Gives me confidence. 5. Of course. I am inspecting every aspect of your generously supplied sample plan. One question...if a certain roof, say over the garage is automatically drawn and it's the wrong style (or wrong direction) how do I delete just that roof if I can't "select" it? I tried de-selecting "roof over this room" and "ceiling over this room" but it is still there. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawB10 Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 First, How do you want the garage roof to look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Before I answer that, there seems to be an error in the instructions for "Build A Staircase" in the Tutorial (or in the Help, they're the same). It says to Click on Build | Stairs| Straight Stairs. I tried that twice and it doesn't work like it says and besides that I can't create a landing and the Auto Stairwell icon tells me I need more treads. BUT...if I use Build|Stairs|Draw, it all works like they say. Curious. I wasted 30 minutes on that problem! Now, as far as the garage roof is concerned, I would like a Gable End roof with the Gables at the Garage Door end and the opposite end as well next to the Entry. We haven decided yet on exactly the style we want. We started off wanting a Shed Roof slanting towards the garage doors from the side of the 2nd floor above the Entry (in effect, covering the Entry roof with the new roof) (see original screen capture). But we decided against it because it would require dimensional lumber for the roof rafters and they would be so long that it would have to be custom lengths. So we changed to a Gable End roof ending at the side of the Entry. This way we can use trusses. So the sloped roof of the Entry (like you showed in your sample plan) would meet the Gable End opposite the garage doors. You can see it in my photographs. Essentially the garage is going where the propane tanks are. The dog run at the back corner will be turned into a one storey studio. BTW I'm up to page 47 in the House Design Tutorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted September 30, 2017 Author Share Posted September 30, 2017 Updated floor plan... 3414 Panmure Road with garage-2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 This software is turning out to be a colossal waste of my time. I can't believe how difficult it is to do things. All I'm trying to do now is change the exterior siding. I set the default Material for Wall Covering to Home Designer Core Catalogs | Materials | Siding & Paneling | Vertical Paneling | Vertical Paneling Buckskin. Did it change my existing siding? No Did it change my siding to Buckskin on new plans? No. Why is it so difficult to either change the defaults or give a simple explanation on how to do it in the Help Dialogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 OK. This is even stranger. I can do it in Pro 2018 Trial but I can't do it in 2018 Suites (purchased). Is there a logical reason for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawB10 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 First things first...with the straight stair tool you have to draw the stairs, with the click stair tool, it's automatic. In the plan I drew the stairs to show how it works. For the garage roof, there's two ways to do it, use the break wall tool and break the wall where you want the gable to be or build a second floor room over the garage, move the wall to where you want the gable to be. the two pics are what each method looks like. Generally, you change defaults for floors, doors, cabinets, roofs and windows. In Suite you change things in plan or camera view. you choose the material you want and either a paint can or roller will appear, then you apply the material to the walls etc. With painter tool: C is for component ( it paints part of the object) O is for Object ( it paints the object) R is for Room ( it paints everything in the room that has the same material) F is for Floor ( it paints every thing on that floor that has the same material) P is for Plan ( it paints everything in the plan) The plan you have created, won't give you what you want. The main house pitch is too low at 4" it needs to be 8". The way the walls are built you should have a shed roof on family and garage room, uncheck high shed/gable and use full gable for the side walls. As stated earlier click on everything in the plan to see how it was done ie: walls, rails and floors. The one on the left is the first floor using the breakwall tool, the one right is the second floor with wall moved. Macgregor-1-1.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 I am making progress. I finally got the hang of Wall Breaks. I am having a problem with the roof pitches at the back of the house. On the left hand side where it says "Open Below" the pitch indicated on the back wall is 4 in 12. For the rest of the back of the house, the pitch indicated on the back wall is 6 in 12, yet in the Perspective view they look to have the same pitch and are even for the full width of the house. I don't understand. Isn't pitch absolute? A 4 in 12 is a 4 in 12 no matter where it starts, yes? I don't understand how two sections of roof adjacent to each other can have different pitches but be level with each other. Am I missing something here? Thanks 3414 Panmure Road with garage-2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawB10 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Is the house I uploaded the way you want it? If yes, then why are trying to rebuild it. Why are you having a problem if it's the way you want it. Auto rebuild roof is off, so you can change walls, ceiling heights, pitches to what ever you want, just don't turn auto roofs on if you do, the roof will "explode". Please keep in mind, this is a software program, which means anything can and does happen. To get an idea of what happens, turn on auto rebuild roofs and start moving walls around, raise or lower the pitches Change ceiling heights on the first and second floors, add the one room studio to the garage. That's one way of getting to learn how the software works. Just remember to click "don't save" when you close the program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmacgregor Posted October 1, 2017 Author Share Posted October 1, 2017 Got the Painter Tool OK. The plan you sent me is very close. and I thank you for that. The garage roof needed to be rotated 90 degrees so I did. What I could not figure out is that you have the garage door wall set as a Gable Wall as well as the opposite wall next to the entry, yet those aren't showing as gable walls in the perspective. And the other two walls are not set as gable walls, yet the are showing as gable walls. It seems all bass ackwards. I'm still not sure how I'm going to roof the Entry and Study - I'll have to do that on the fly with the draftsman or architect. I've tried all sorts of different things for the back roof trying to get it to match yours and figure out what exactly you did. I could use yours but then I wouldn't learn how you did it. I used to be a programmer early on in my career so I know what can happen. Is my assertion about pitch correct or am I off base? Cheers 3414 Panmure Road with garage-2.plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawB10 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Doug, I was going by the pictures that you uploaded, the entry has a roof over the door. If you keep the roof the garage roof will cut into it, so you have to build a second floor and lower it to 0". The only time you need to gable front and back walls, is when the room is a standalone . If it's attached as in this case, you only need to gable the front wall. The side walls control how steep the roof will be. To see the effects, change the pitch on the side walls to 12". If you gable the front wall for the Study it will cause a problem with the garage roof, however you solved the problem just click "extend the slope downward" for the front wall. Again click on the walls to see what was done, some of the walls in your plan are gabled and that's what's causing the problems. The porch on the second floor has to be moved out 3 to 5" to get the high shed to form and the back wall over the porch needs to come down about 4" or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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