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might be something in the Water Supply Bonus Library you can use? do you have it? http://3dlibrary.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?r=site/detail/638

I don't use the glass shower wall for this reason , and instead just use a cabinet soffit with the material set to 3/8 thick and Standard Glass as the material

Well I made a couple of copies of the plan and opened them in 2015 Trial , and even managed to get your 2nd floor work back in place , so here is the How to , have a go and let me know how it works out...send me an email if you want the Doc. file I made as I worked but here it is........... Problems: Wall roof definitions mostly wrong---not per earlier pics in the thread No invisible wall in porch area Top floor is 2 1/2" longer than main floor ---sticks out over the Sliding doors ---use Align wall tool to shift back--icon on edit toolbar once wall is selected. Do several Save As's if not done with different file names as backups please. Easiest Fix is Delete 2nd floor , then rebuilt 2nd floor with default finished ceiling height at 0" (18") Second Try I redid it as ceiling heights were too low in the gambrel areas at 0" then follow these instructions In the build Roof dialog Box DBX set roof pitch to 7 set Roof overhangs to 12" gable , 12" Eave . there seems to be a quirk with Gambrel Roofs , with the Gable overhang set at 12" I had to set the Eave Overhang to 40" to get them to match up later so you may need to try other measurements and see what happpens too and You will need to set non-Gambrel Walls to the standard 12" used for Gables manually (if possible/needed) looking at drawing in Plan View RH = right hand LH = Left Hand set top long wall to 6" pitch ( hip is auto in HD) Draw invisible wall (or use Room divder Tool in 2015) left to right 8' off top wall (7') Second Try Click in new Room just created above invisible wall, open Room DBX ,and set Finished ceiling height to 120" (138" Second Try) Uncheck Ceiling in this room ,Check use soffit surface for ceiling Click and open Room below the Room Divider line and check ceiling is (still) 0" (18" Second Try) Uncheck Ceiling in this room ,Check use soffit surface for ceiling Set two front lower walls to FULL Gable (garage door wall and Kitchen (Shop) wall) Set front door Entry/Alcove wall to 7" pitch (May not be needed as set as default pitch above but check) Draw invisible wall (R.Divider wall) across Frt.Door Alcove , 5ft back from the front lower walls and set to 7" pitch in DBX ( may need to play with this if roofs don't quite meet , eg 7 1/2" ,8" at 18" room height) Set new Room ( space between front door and invisible wall) to 0" (18"ST) finished ceiling to match the other Room Set LH and RH long walls to FULL GABLE in Wall DBX Set RH Alcove wall to 16" Pitch ,check Upper Pitch , make 3" upper pitch , 36" in from baseline Set LH Alcove wall to 16" Pitch ,check Upper Pitch , make 3" upper pitch , 48" in from baseline (3/12 pitch on upper roof is a guess based on fact that it is lowest pitch allowable for shingles) Break LH Long gable wall approx. 5' upper from garage door wall and set Gambrel pitches (UNCHECK FULL GABLE) ie Set Wall Pitch on Roof tab to 16" Pitch ,check Upper Pitch , make 3" upper pitch , 48" in from baseline Break RH Long gable wall approx. 5' upper from Shop front wall and set Gambrel pitches (UNCHECK FULL GABLE) ie Set Wall Pitch on Roof tab to 16" Pitch ,check Upper Pitch , make 3" upper pitch , 36" in from baseline If Alcove Gambrel Roofs look wrong , check the "in from baseline" distance again ie 48 LH and 36" RH side , mine had changed. Hopefully all looks well ? TURN OFF REBUILD ROOFS Now copy back all your walls etc from a backup plan.... Open Backup plan Goto Floor 2 if not there Open Build roofs DBX > delete Roof Planes ( we dont want the bad ones on new plan) Edit>Edit Area>Edit Area ..... this lets you drag a selection box over the outer walls of floor two Click Copy Paste Icon Go back to New Plan , and beside house ( not in it) Right Click (RC) , Choose Paste>Paste And Hold Position ........That should add everything copied off Floor 2 from the Backup Plan back into the new plan in the same spot copied from. (Ignore error about ceiling heights new roof should "cut off") Not sure what happened but just before finishing the 18" room height version Pro Crashed or I hit the wrong button and I lost the work but think this will get you close. 0" version was fine except when I did across section the ceiling height in the Gambrel rooms was too low to walk even over garage but at 18" looked good. Mick

I was wondering actually if it was a large workshop space ,rather than a Home , but they have framed it so you can extra windows easily , may have been on the further plans when they could afford it. The PDF is pretty good , but doesn't show the 2nd floor , perhaps the City/County has a copy for Permitting? which is something you need to check, were there permits? has what is been done passed ? etc. they did extend the "shop" forward a good decision I think. You have all your walls setup wrong as far as the Gable/ Gambrel stuff goes along with the Room heights to get your roof..... will report back once I've had a "play" Mick.

not sure why you are breaking walls unless one wall has two different materials on different sections ? but you should be able to change any walls exterior material in the Walls DBX under materials.

haven't seen one for HD Titles but the Chief one is here https://chieftalk.chiefarchitect.com/index.php?app=core&module=attach§ion=attach&attach_id=2203 note that HD 2015 Titles started at 16.3.0.59 in May. ( Chief came out in Jan.at 16.1)

I can have a look at your plan in HD Pro 2015 Trial if you want to post the plan here ( close the plan and zip the file and post here) and give you some pointers , HD Pro 10 or Arch 10 JoAnn has can't open your file to edit however they maybe options if needed , lets look at the Plan 1st. Mick. Did you do any site measurements? heights, lengths etc have more photos ?

Always stepping up your game huh the Prow is easier in Pro , a quick drag and click but other than that I don't actually know if Owning Pro would of made it much different/easier to build, messing with Manual Roof Planes may actually of be more time consuming.... And a reminder to CONSTANTLY check the room heights as JoAnn mentioned , they seem to have a mind of their own and are NOT "set and forget" Mick

I think temp. dims are controlled by the Manual dimensions , so make sure that one not Auto Dims is on too..... There is also a quirk in all HD/Chief titles that Temp. dims wont display if they are near any existing dimensions could it be that ? tried it on a fresh new plan ? and an old plan ? hopefully not a bug with the new HDP Update 16.4 might want to try tech support before the weekend maybe? M.

Post pics like mine and Jo's so we can see what you are doing / have done JoAnn is Using Arch 10 and basically I used the same tools as Arch 10 only using AutoRoofs to generate what you see , but as she said it takes a lot of messing with heights etc to get it to work , but even more for us since we don't have the real heights or roof pitches etc . Hopefully you did a "save as" and are practicing in that Plan not the one you had all your internal walls etc in....you can save that plan just for internals and keep the new plan for Externals etc, may even be able to copy and paste between them ?. The area below the long interior wall in my orig.plan is floor height (FH) of 0" (like JoAnn initially set to 2-3" to make it work till I figured out the right angles/distances) The area above the interior wall in my orig. plan is FH of 108" ( did you set this room height ? might be why no "Popup" for the Saltbox) JoAnn doesn't mention it but I broke my two long gable walls with the front of each set a Gambrel same as the two Front entry alcove walls , if you look closely you can see the CAD line I used to line them up initially with the alcove ( this can be deleted later.) edit: Thought I give it another try and make sure the advice was correct ...actually easier the 2nd time around 2nd time around I set the "Room" below the interior wall to 36" so the would be enough head height under the Gambrel Roofs ( like a dormer) so the Area above was set to 36" + 108 ( 9') for a total of 144" or 12' What you may have missed in our Pics was the invisible wall (exterior wall in 1st plan) over the front alcove which despite its size , is what is controlling the whole front long Gable area , see my new pics below , for me I set it to 8/12 and the back short gable at 4/12. once the Roof is built and Auto Roofs is off this small wall can be deleted and will take the "extra floor" etc in the front alcove with it. The "dividing" interior wall may also be deleted now, this is also where I usually go into Display Options and LOCK all the Roof items so there is no way to accidently select and thus change or delete something by accident, you can however still display Roof planes (or not) as desired. Mick.

I didn't need to use any manual roof planes but it definitely was a lot of messing around since I don't have measurements or slopes/pitches,heights etc but doable , though I'm still not sure Suite can do all the things I can in Pro. you may not actually need to be 0" on the 2nd floor ,eg could be 36" as that height will control the Gambrel final ceiling height depending on the pitches used. here's a few more pics with info in them and settings , have a look and i'll try an answer any questions you have. Mick

Is Dimensions off in Display Options?

definitely going to be tough with Suite but there are tutorials for the basic Roof types which should get you close then you'll need to play around with settings and invisible walls since you only have Auto Roofs. the Offset Gable is also called a Saltbox Roof in HD and there is a Tutorial here for that : http://www.homedesignersoftware.com/support/article/KB-00735/52/Home-Designer/Roofs/Creating-a-Saltbox-Roof.html and the Prow Roof too http://www.homedesignersoftware.com/support/article/KB-01197/52/Home-Designer/Roofs/Creating-a-Prow-Roof.html you need Gambrel settings over the garage outer walls and the RH area's 2 outer walls as well , the two outer most walls will need to be "Broken" ( wall break tool) as each top 1/2 will be gable , bottom 1/2 Gambrel http://www.homedesignersoftware.com/support/article/KB-00359/52/Home-Designer/Roofs/Automatically-Building-the-Basic-Roof-Styles.html#Gambrel Front entry wall will stay HIP Back wall will be HIP both front walls will be Full gable The Roofs all appear to be built at approx. the second floor flooring level which is why I suggested the 0" height Room while building the roof, it gets set back later to normal height later and auto-roofs gets turned off. Started to play around with it (guessing sizes) but out of time tonight so no full gable yet.....

Looks like the Architect was trying to use all Roof types known to man on one small house the garage / front RH side is using Gambrel Roofs (or two pitch) with an added Prow The Main Area is using an Offset Gable with the lower side coming off the 1st floor, floor level ( to meet Gambrel Fascia heights) No photo of back is there a flat area back there on RH side? or just a longer boxed eave? you have Boxed eaves so check box for those in Roof DBX when building. No idea on your Software Version since you haven't filled in you signature so not sure what version you are working with but you can probably add a second floor with zero ceiling height to achieve this. Split the rear gable area into two rooms lengthwise ( set where you want the Ridge) with an invisible wall or the Room divider Tool and leave the garage side at 0" ceiling and make the back room 96" ( or whatever ceiling height is ? perhaps 109"?) Do you know the Roof pitches to use? / have the Paper Plans? that will help too M.

Put a report into Tech Support as I don't think it is just an issue with your plan....

to my surprise the patch works with the trial version too and it appears you are correct , happens to me on a Play Plan too I also tried setting the height the height to the total in the structure tab and it didn't move 96" >218" and it didn't shift however it will move down for some reason ? set it to 48" and it moved down....

Strange how they announced the 16.4 patch for Chief but not here for the HD titles but they are there. I used the update program feature and it told me there was no update but they are on the website ...however I am using Pro 2015 Trial (and Pro 10) , not sure it's really a "Patch" at 365mb , sounds like the whole main program download again.... I assume you checked the upper and lower room dbx >moulding tab to ensure they were set right? cos the one displayed looks correct for the lower room and none in the upper room M.

A number of people have posted Threads without Pics as they didn't know, how so hopefully this helps cos as they say a "picture is worth a thousand words" especially if you are not familiar with all the HD terms and names. ***Posting your .plan file will be the greatest help in most cases and avoids the "guessing game" Knowing you Software Title and Year can also be very important to getting good answers so please add that info to your Profile Signature , you may add upto 10 lines of information there, thanks. *** Update See Below Too -- the Snipping Tool is quick and easy How to take "Pics" of your Plans/3D views use File>Export>Picture (Jpg) to take "snapshots" of your plan view and 3d camera views too , then attach them to a post by going to the "more Reply Options" after you click post and there is a button on the bottom left to Choose/attach files. once the file is uploaded make sure to "add it to the post" on the right hand side. ( you will see a link added to the post only then which shows up once you submit the post. Before you take the Pic zoom in or change the window size , so the pic is maximised when you take it , as the Forum will automatically make them smaller when uploaded. If the File>export wont take the Pic you need , try the "Print Screen" Key which will take a pic of the whole screen ,which you can Paste in Paint and then save to post here , The Forum handles.png files fine or jpegs , don't use .bmp they tend to be huge files. you can hold the ALT key when you press Print Screen and it will only take a pic of the "active window", useful if you have multiple monitors. You can also add text / arrows / circles etc and crop the images in Paint as needed before Posting too. the text file if you need it.... How to Take Pics in HDesigner.txt SNIPPING TOOL Since Posting this I have also discovered the Snipping Tool , which is Part of Windows 7 and is in the Accessories Folder on the Start Menu , it does not have the ability to add text if needed like Paint but you can add highlighter marks or coloured arrows etc with the included Tools in Snipit , I now have Snipit pinned to my Taskbar ,it's very handy. It cannot take "Snips" of Menus etc though as they disappear when you click on Snipping Tool to activate it, so use Print Screen key for those , eg below ADDING THE PICS or YOUR PLAN TO YOUR POST In the bottom Right Corner of every Reply window is a button MORE REPLY OPTIONS , Click on that to see this: On the bottom left hand side Click on the Browse Button, this will open a Windows Explorer Window so you can locate the Pic or Plan (wherever you saved them too) that you want to attach to the Post you have written. See here: Select Folder ( as you can see I made a Folder called Jpegs_Forum, for just this purpose) Find and select Pic or .plan File in the RH Pane, then Click OPEN button on the bottom Right Important: NOW CLICK ATTACH THIS FILE button, (under Browse Button) otherwise it wont attach to the Post. You can now insert the Pics or .plan File as you'd like in your Post with the Add to post button (inserts at your cursor) or if you do nothing more it will just add everything to the bottom of your Post automatically. M

If the File>export wont take the Pic you need , try the "Print Screen" Key which will take a pic of the whole screen ,which you can Paste in Paint and then save to post here , The Forum handles.png files fine or jpegs , don't use .bmp they tend to be huge files. you can also hold the ALT key when you press Print Screen and it will only take a pic of the "active window" , useful if you have multiple monitors. You can also add text / arrows / circles etc and crop the images in Paint as needed before Posting too. M.

how to take "Pics" of your Plans/3D views use File>Export>Picture (Jpg) to take "snapshots" of your plan view and 3d camera views too , then attach them to a post by going to the "more Reply Options" after you click post and there is a button on the bottom left to Choose/attach files. once the file is uploaded make sure to "add it to the post" on the right hand side. ( you will see a link added to the post only then which shows up once you submit the post.

Hopefully Suite can do this but I am not sure I am using HD Pro 10 , when you take pics cold you zoom in closer pls , details are kinda small in the forum pics, thx. yes the 3 heights I gave as examples earlier in the thread are absolute heights labelled © you will see other heights change as they are relative to the absolute heights So Suite can't open the plan I posted in post #14? you wont be able to edit it , but I thought you could view it ? if you have an ipad the free RoomPlanner App maybe able too , sorry I don't have an ipad to test with. here are the Plan views from the Plan I posted which have a bit more info on them I am not sure what you mean by the basement height being the same as the basement floor ? but if you have the floor height and ceiling height set the same that might explain why you seem to have no floor in the basement. the main house should autobuild the floor at 0" so don't change anything The basement will build to what ever height you set the stem walls to when you build the Foundation , it tells you in the DBX what height the basement will be when you set the stemwall height ( they aren't the same thing due to floor thickness) ,so adjust stem wall till you have a 8' or 9' basement as desired. eg it will be -109 1/2 for a 9' ceiling ...don't change it. The garage will initially be 0" as it is built on the same level as the main floor ...when you draw it....you now need to open the garage room DBX and set the height to minus whatever the step down is from the house floor to garage floor eg - 48" (4feet) you also need to designate the Room a Garage so the Garage door and Entry Door sit down n the slab not on top of the Stemwall. And assuming the garage is a Slab not a foundation like the basement you may need to set the slab foundation for this Room checkbox. you should check heights again as things might change depending on which options you just used. If the Ceiling/roof height is the same on the garage anf the house you will need to set the garage room ceiling height to the total distance of the Main floor plus whatever the step down to the garage is so the walls are the same height in the garage and house eg 96 + 48" so garage is 144" high. Then you need to add the extra foundation walls to create the stairwell as in pic one above . then place the stairs in the new stair well and change all the materials to Concrete in the stairs DBX on the material tab. That should get you started , i'll check back and see how it's going.

Vikki's guess sounds like a good one to me , when HD does weird things like this , closing HD and restarting it sometimes fixes these "anomalies too. if you only have a terrain perimeter with grass you could try deleting it (and rebuilding it too) without some pics it s all a bit of a guess though. M.

Typical the foundation wall / basement is 8 " concrete , not the Framed wall on the main floor ( or elsewhere) , it is probably 2x6 stud so 5 1/2 + 1/2 drywall + 1/2 ply+ 3/4" siding/stucco so about 7 1/4 " +/- depending on rainscreen etc. 20'2" -16" is 18'10" not 19'2" but HD would not be counting the Plywood/OSB as it is outside the wall Main layer so subtract 14" 1/8 not 16" as it isn't measuring to the drywall either but the inside of the framing ie the Wall Layer but the interior length is probably set to measure to Wall centres which is why you have the weird 19' 7 7/8" , at a guess , try this : Check the Edit>Default>Dimensions and see how the dimensions are being located, HD typically sets its dimensioning off the outside of the main layer of the wall , which is usually set as the framing ( not the plywood) this can be changed in the Wall Definitions in some versions of HD , not sure on Suite. Interior dimensions can be set to Wall Layer or Surface (drywall) in the same DBX (dialog box) or wall centres I believe this information is in the online help and in the Reference Manual PDF found under the Help Menu too. M.

good news I've had to use a terrain hole in the Past too so thought it might work , it also works for instance when you add to the foundation to make a new basement entry door but have already built the Terrain. M.

did you try the terrain hole as I suggested? should work otherwise if you have nothing in the basement you can also delete and rebuild it..... or if you don't have too much work into your Terrain you could also delete it and redo it.....