Need help with roof

[Jo_Ann]

It's good to finally see more of what the real roof looks like.

And it also includes gable walls that were never mentioned before.

 

I think it is time for you to upload the plan file, with accurate dimensions...for anyone to be able to help some more.

[Jo_Ann]

[BraveUserMike]

show off, lol

 

 

I was up all night.....

and I have.....

 

GarageAddition-UR-EDC-SC-GPA-W-MB-2Fv2.plan

 

[y-g-m-n]

what type of room did you make stairwell?

 

ON second floor it should be "OPEN BELOW"

check roof over & flat ceiling.

 

on first floor can be anything. I set mine to HALLS

check roof over & flat ceiling.

 

but I think your problems area easily solved with update to pro and you manually edit roof planes.

But I say that because I find it easier to just do the auto roof and then edit planes to what I want if not correct.

 

Trying to figure out why it does goofy roof things can be a pain so I just prefer to edit them planes

 

[BraveUserMike]

Hey y-g-m-n, 

Thank you for suggestions,

 

I originally drew these plans in 2019 and i wasn’t at all concerned about the roofs at the time.

In 22 I designed a  kitchen remodel in them and still wasn’t worried about the roof.

The staircase and stairwell were part of one of those efforts and I don’t even remember which.

 

I’m trying to finish and correct the main house layout as part of the current effort and I’m definitely having problems with and around the stairs.

There were stairs in the staircase from whenever I originally did the plans but I deleted them as part of the process of trying to get this area right.

I’m not sure what walls I should be drawing before putting the stairs and what I should leave for the stairs to auto-generate.

I’m not sure if I should build the stairs before the roof or vice versa.

As built the 1st floor section of stairs and the landing are 42” side and the 2nd floor section of stairs is 40” wide.

I’m not sure if I should be working with the as built dimensions or start with 42 and 42.

The curved wall of the stairwell is some sort of concrete, definitely thinner than standard cbs walls of the 1st floor exterior but definitely concrete.

It intersects the cbs wall of the front door, the exterior wall of the bedroom, and the the interior wall of the closet in that bedroom.

The same upstairs.

The exterior walls upstairs are stucco not cbs so the interior dimensions change.

That obviously plays into the 40” wide steps on the 2nd floor vs 42 on the 1st floor and back to my question of do I design it as 42 and 42 or 42 and 40.

The short wall that separates the planter from the porch buts up against and maybe commingles with the edge of the curved wall on the 1st floor

A lot of things intersect here and the software is obviously not happy with it.

The 1st floor section of the stairwell has a shed roof on it.

I’m not sure if the software can handle having the curved all as a gable wall under a shed roof or not.

Sometimes when I build the roof the joint between the curved wall and the front door wall gets pulled apart and a big chunk of the interior looses its room definition.

 

I know I need to do something different but I have so many things I’m not certain about how they work coming together at the same time I don’t how to work the problem.

 

 

[Rookie65]

Please upgrade to Pro so you can do manual roofs, and so much more! Try going to the HD website, and see what it will cost to upgrade from your version of suite to the newest Pro version. It may only be $100 or so. If it's a lot, I have a key for HD Pro 2021 that I have been trying to sell since people I bought it for never panned out as far as helping me with my design work.

[Jo_Ann]

REALLY PEOPLE?!
One small shed roof problem hardly seems  tp be a justified reason to upgrade to PRO for hundreds of dollars more!!

 

BraveUserMike, simply needs to work on so many things done wrong on the plan, to get closer to the solution.

 

I've been looking at the plan, and it is hard to decipher what needs to change. Working om it.

[Rookie65]

I have a license for HD Pro 2021 that I am willing to sell for a heavily discounted price. It's not for hundreds more, so it may make sense to him. There are probably a lot of other things that will be coming up for this project where an upgrade may help him. It's no skin off my nose whether he upgrades or not. Would be nice if he could do everything in Suite, yet I don't see it happening. I don't download plans other people post, so I don't know what else is off. Maybe with some practice of specific issues on a less complicated plan would be a place to start for learning how the program works instead of trying to tackle everything at once?

[Jo_Ann]

Getting everything reset in the plan, and cleaning up all the clutter, will help help get you back on track with the plan.

I can help.

 

[BraveUserMike]

Please

[Jo_Ann]

1.    Rebuild foundation, and don't alter it.
2.    Turn ON Auto Rebuild Roof.
3.    Under the toolbar EDIT,  Reset defaults (all floors roof directives in walls).

 

With the floor plan the ACTIVE window  >
TOOLBAR>Tools>Display.
Uncheck dimensions auto and dimensions manual.
Uncheck roof planes,roof baselines.
Uncheck room labels,room interior area and dimensions and standard area.

Lastly, on the toolbar under VIEW, uncheck reference Grid.

The plan should now look very uncluttered.
Do a 3d perspective view, and tile it vertically.
Select exterior walls you know are gable walls, and set them.

Pay attention to what changes in the 3D view.

 

[BraveUserMike]

1) while on floor 1: build>floor>build foundation>radio left on monolithic slab, click ok

 

 

 

I notice that the pool deck has gotten out of line with the house and under roof patio so I undo, correct the pool deck, and redo step 1

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2)switch back to 1st floor, build>roof>build roof>select auto rebuild roofs, click ok

 

 

3)Edit>Reset to Default>select radio for all floors, select check box for Roof Directives in Walls, click ok

 

 

 

4) Tools>Display Options>uncheck dimensions automatic, dimensions manual, roof planes (roof baselines was already unchecked),room labels, room interior dimensions (other two were already unchecked), I also unchecked CAD default to hide the survey, click ok

 

 

5)View>uncheck reference grid

 

 

6)Perspective Full View tiled vertically

 

 

7)Saved

[BraveUserMike]

 

I verified that the wall breaks in the North and South exterior walls still existed and lined up with the 2nd story front wall.

Then I started with at the garage side

 

1)1st floor living room wall>full gable

2)1st floor invisible wall defining under roof patio>full gable

3)2nd floor bedroom wall>full gable

 

That gave me a correct roof line on the north side of house, except the garage

 

 

 

4) front wall of garage>full gable

That gave me a correct roof line on the entire north side of the house as far in as the roof ridge of the garage.

 

 

 

5) I tried setting the front wall of the 2nd floor bedroom to the right of the garage to full gable and it didn't make the change in the perspective view so I undid and will move on to somewhere else for now.

 

[BraveUserMike]

Next I've switched over to the south exterior wall.

exterior wall past the break that lines up with the 2nd floor wall>full gable

invisible wall that defines the patio under the roof>full gable

 

That gave me a correct roof line on the south wall excluding the front wall of the bathroom, only as far in as a few feet past the south wall.

 

 

 

Then I added the gable on the front bathroom wall

 

[BraveUserMike]

Next I thought I would try getting the rest of the 2nd floor corrected.

I tried setting the section of south wall of the 2nd floor that is behind the stairs to full gable.

It made a little gable over that little section, nothing approaching joining the 1st floor roof so I undid.

There are two sections of auto generated wall behind the 2nd floor back wall.

I tried setting them to gable along with the section of the south 2nd floor wall and that didn't work so I undid.

I tried deleting the auto generated walls and with autoregenerate roofs on they immediately come back.

Nothing I tried worked so I closed and went back to the save after adding the gable to the front of the bathroom.

I added the gable to the front porch.

 

So now I'm back to guessing and trial and error about what to do next.

 

 

 

[BraveUserMike]

So I decided to try to work my way in from the south side.

I turned on reference floor display and added a break in the invisible wall defining the front porch in line with the front of the front wall of the 2nd floor.

I section the section of the invisible wall defining the patio to full gable.

This corrected the 1st floor roof line from the south wall all the way past where it should meet the 2nd floor roof.

Except you can see a hint of a ridge line following up from the master bath front gable.

I started adjusting the position of the break in the invisible wall that defines the front porch.

Up to 5' 7/8" back from the front of the porch the ridge extends from the master bath gable.

5' 1" and over the ridge extends from the front porch gable.

At 5' 7/8" inches I get an error message "Error in side ridges while producing a roof plane.

After the error the 1st floor roof is completely correct and the middle of the 2nd floor roof is gone.

I did a save as v4 here then an undo and save as over v3 so I have both versions to try to work from.

 

 

 

 

 

[BraveUserMike]

Working from v3 where the 2nd floor has a roof:

 

Set section of exterior 2nd floor south wall between front corner of bedroom and stairs to full gable

Set invisible wall in middle of stairs to full gable

Set section of exterior wall past stairs to full gable

This gives a gable roof line on the south wall of the 2nd floor but the roof ridge too low.

The roof ridge should be in line with the rest of the 2nd floor.

 

 

Working from v4

Setting the same sections of the 2nd floor south wall to full gable has the same result except for the hole in the middle.

Going back and adjusting the position of the invisible wall that defines the front porch ..

up to 5' 1" makes the hole smaller

down to 5' 7/8" makes the hole go away

 

 

 

 

At this point setting the front wall of the 2nd floor bedroom to full gable works

 

[BraveUserMike]

I tried pushing the location of the break in the invisible wall on the front porch around some more to see the effect.

With large changes you could see the 1st floor roof line move either forwards or backwards but no changes in the 2nd floor roof line.

Looking at the stairs more closely you can see a downward slope of gable going through the stair wall.

It also looks like there is an upwards slope of gable sticking out of the roof just a little bit

 

[BraveUserMike]

As an experiment I deleted the stairwell and enclosed part of the planter with an invisible wall in line with the break in the half wall that separates the planter from the porch.

This made the entire 1st floor roof line to the right of the 2nd floor correct.

It did not correct the 2nd floor roof line 

 

 

[BraveUserMike]

Yep, back to trying and trying and trying different things to get a single roof ridge across the 2nd floor without success.

This time I'm going to call it quits and go to bed.

[Jo_Ann]

Try these settings and see if they work.

[Jo_Ann]

I think the only way with Suite, that you will get a shed roof over that circular wall, is to "fudge" it, using carefully sized and placed wedge shapes.

It doesn't look perfect, but it is presentable from a distance.

 

[BraveUserMike]

6 hours ago, Jo_Ann said:

Try these settings and see if they work.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh my goodness, thank you!

 

 

It was the unchecking no room definition I was missing.

I had put a wall on the 2nd floor extending the right exterior wall of the 2nd floor a bunch of times before with no effect.

Defining the room is what made the difference.

I left the ridgeline wall on the 2nd floor as a hip wall.

made the back wall between the house and the roof covered patio on the 2nd floor a knee wall

added the wall behind the right wall of the 2nd floor to enclose the room

copy and pasted the autogenerated leftmost wall over the roof covered patio to make sure the gable length remained the same on both roof lines

and it was golden

All that's left now is the stairs

 

 

[Jo_Ann]

Take a closer look at the image you posted.

You still have a problem on the gable wall next to the stairwell.

You added something you shouldn't have.

[Jo_Ann]

Also, the roof overhang of the half wall on the porch (1st floor) is cutting into the circular wall.

You need to revise some measurements, and move the wall.

That should be a room divider wall... NOT a half wall.