Floor won't appear in 3D or elevation

[Keith_K]

I received a letter a couple of days ago from my local authority advising that my next door neighbour has applied to have alterations done to his house and asking for objections, if any.  I then went on to the authorities website to see what the alterations looked like and the only objection I had was the absolute blandness and total lack of imagination displayed by their designer.  The house is a bog standard semi-detached council type dwelling erected under the “affordable” banner and sits among several others which all look the same.  So I thought that I’d knock something up and slip it in his mailbox.

 

I designed a “pod” made entirely out of SIPS panels – including the floor, ceiling and roof – which would sit on top of the existing garage and have slightly cantilevered edges to two sides.  The external sides would be clad and the roof tiles would match the existing.  Easy, you say?

 

Then perhaps someone could tell me why the floor doesn’t show in the 3D elevation.  I have tried everything to make it come up, even going as far as to place some invisible walls under the cantilevered edges in case they were the cause.  Nothing worked.  I have now run out of things to try.  Perhaps I have forgotten something due to the fact that I have things going on in my life at the moment, both health and otherwise, with the result that my previous addiction to Home Designer has waned somewhat and I rarely use it now.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

I must confess too to absolutely hating the way walls are done in 2016.  The old way was much simpler.  How do you specify which layer is the main one?

 

 

 

  Next door.plan

[katalyst777]

KB-00038: Resolving a Gap Between Floors in Camera Views

I disagree.  I think Wall Types are much easier to understand with the new dialog, but the ones you've modified in this file are definitely a mess.  You've got no Exterior wall layer in any of the ones I just looked at real quick.

The "Next door SIPS wall" should have you select the "aluminum" layer and Move Up and "Color - Whipped" Move Down.

"Next door rendered" should have one "Color - White" Move Up under Exterior Layers, Insulation Foam Move Up under Main Layers, and leave Color - Whipped at Interior Layers.

Same with "Next door gable end" - Have one layer under Exterior Layers, one under Main Layers and one under Interior Layers.

That's as far as I got, but if you fix your wall types, then you won't have the floor gap anymore.

[solver]

Check your wall layer definition. Those SIP walls confuse the program.

 

I moved the exterior material outside of the main layer.

 

Next door (eric).plan

[Keith_K]

I still maintain that the old wall configuration was easier.  Top row was external layer and you worked downwards with any additional layers and then you put a dot next to the one you called your main layer.  Strange though that, if I have cocked up the wall configurations to such a degree, the 3D image on my screen shows the building how I imagined it would look.

 

That said (and thank you for your replies) both of you have ignored the main issue of my topic.  That of the disappearing floor.   

 

BTW Eric, I tried to open your plan but I get a pop up saying that it can't be opened because it was written by a newer programme that I am currently running.  I don't understand this as I used Pro 2016.

[solver]

You are missing the floor framing, not the floor. Build the framing and the gap will fill in.

 

Your finished floor surface is there in a camera view.

[Keith_K]

You've well and got me now, my friend.  Since I started using HD all I have ever done is set floor defaults even for my multi storey creations and the floors have always generated without any problem like the one I am having now with what is, in essence, the simplest of drawings.  I have never, ever fiddled with framing or other facets of USA building methods and wouldn't have a clue as to where to begin. 

 

I have printed off the bumph about wall type definitions from the manual to see if I can make head or tail of the new way (the phrase 'why "fix" something that wasn't broken' comes to mind).  I'll then start this drawing from scratch and if I still cock things up I'll give serious consideration to chuck this designing malarkey. 

 

It's not enjoyable any more.

[solver]

I'll try and tie things together.

 

The way your walls are structured prevents the program from running the exterior surface down to cover the gap you are seeing. Building the floor framing fills in the gap (with wood using the default settings).

 

That's why the suggestions to fix the walls.

 

In the US, a SIP is typically two outer skins of OSB, or plywood, with a foam core. You can get them with a finish cladding on the interior and exterior, but they are the exception.

 

Don't know about where you are, but here, the exterior cladding is normally attached after the walls are placed.

[Keith_K]

I haven't a bloody clue as to why I used the cladding as an exterior surface on the SIPS wall!!  I have never done this before and have always had a small air gap between the actual wall and the cladding.  My head must have been la-la land or somewhere equally exotic when I did those wall definitions and caused so much time wasting on both sides of the Atlantic.    

 

Anyway, I changed it to how I usually draw SIPS and corrected the main layer and everything is now fine.  I just wish that I had done that before deleting my original drawing and starting from scratch because I had already done the roof bathrooms and stuff. 

 

Thanks for your input.

 

Now can you point me in the right direction to find a canopy for over the front door that looks like the one drawn in the submitted plans?   The ones in the library aren't any good.

[Jo_Ann]

Keith,

All I see for a 'canopy' is just a small shed roof, with 2 'ranch' style corbels placed beneath it on each side.

[Keith_K]

Hello Jo-Ann. I was wondering when our specialist would be along. Indeed it is as you described. Cheap tat on cheap tatty houses. It would have helped if I could have remembered the term "corbels" but at the time all my brain could come up with was "canopy".

 

One last question - Why am I getting the colour bleed shown in the picture below? The ground and first floor walls are perfectly aligned and I have played with various combinations of the "reverse layers" function but it won't go away and when I do the elevations it appears on them as a very distinct stepped rectangle in the colour instead of just a clean, straight line from top to bottom.

 

Enjoy your weekend.

 

[Jo_Ann]

Doesn't a brick column belong there?   Since you're not replicating the entire building, why not just place the column and move on.  It will cover the flaw.