Need help with roof

[BraveUserMike]

I think it would help me a lot to know the correct way to design the stairwell.

Should I be drawing all the walls for the stairwell on both the 1st and 2nd floor?

Should I use room dividers to define sections of the stair well as rooms so I can set ceiling heights?

I understand stairs can automatically cut their way through floors, do they cut their way through walls?

Should I build the stairs before the roof?

 

Here are some photos of the actual stairs

 

 

 

 

 

[BraveUserMike]

The extra gable on the end of the 2nd floor was a tiny misalignment between the actual 2nd floor wall and the wall I added to define the fake room behind the actual 2nd floor.

 

[BraveUserMike]

I replaced the half wall between the edge of the porch and the curved stairwell wall with a room divider and no change.

I rebuilt the foundation again and no change.

I changed the porch room to a patio room and rebuilt the foundation, then to a slab and rebuilt the foundation, still no change.

I can't figure out how to get it not to plow rough through my stairwell.

 

[Jo_Ann]

You need to re-read the last post on page 2.

[BraveUserMike]

On 5/5/2025 at 11:28 AM, Jo_Ann said:

Also, the roof overhang of the half wall on the porch (1st floor) is cutting into the circular wall.

You need to revise some measurements, and move the wall.

That should be a room divider wall... NOT a half wall.

 

Hey Jo Ann, can you explain more thoroughly?

I changed the half wall into a room divider wall already.

Which measurements need revision?

Which wall needs to be moved and where to?

[Jo_Ann]

Turn the roof display lines back ON.

Look at the green dashed lines of the roof overhang on the half-wall.
MOVE the wall AWAY from the circular wall, so that the roof lines do NOT intersect the circular wall.

It should then become clear to you what I meant about your measurements.

[BraveUserMike]

Okay, I’m going to follow your directions and hopefully it will become clear to me what you meant about my measurements but I’m skeptical.  As far as I can tell my measurements are pretty accurate.  The porch edge of the porch slab/the half wall touch up against the curved wall.  The roof line from over the main house comes down to infront of the curved wall where it meets the gable over the porch.  There is a 2 foot overhang that buts up against the stairwell.  Everything is laid out in the plan just like it is in real life except in the plan the roof plows through the wall instead of butting up against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BraveUserMike]

[BraveUserMike]

And here's what I have in the plan before I start dragging the room divider the defines the side of the porch away from the half wall.

 

[BraveUserMike]

Okay, so if I pull the room divider away until the overhang is no longer hitting the stairwell an attic wall that is defined as a stem wall shows up with a hip roof on it on the ground and the section of roof over the main house between the 2nd floor and the porch roof breaks with the main roof line.

 

I guess I can add invisible 2nd floor walls to define an open below room over the area and adjust the ceiling height to bring the main roof all back in line then bring the edge of the porch back to where it is supposed to be?

 

 

 

[Jo_Ann]

Do you not understand, the software will NOT allow a roof edge to cut into an exterior wall. It will take a chunk out of the exterior wall.
It is what it is.

 

Moving the room divider wall, did NOT move the foundation wall below.
Move the foundation wall (level 0)  back under the room divider wall, and the invasive roof on the porch slab will go away.

Moving the room divider wall has made the porch slab skinnier, so use a soffit or box shape to create a fake slab, that is the correct width of the porch.

 

[Jo_Ann]

Try playing with this.

And pay VERY close attention to that roof overhang as you move those walls.

 

This will help to restore the porch width.

  

[BraveUserMike]

Hey Jo Ann,

 

When you did it were you able to get it to keep the roof line over the main house?

The roof line broke for me.

I was able to get it back by defining a small open below room in the 2nd floor behind the front door and adjusting the ceiling height; however this separated the little section of roof around the curved wall from the main roof line.

I couldn't come up with anyway to get the roof from the main house to continue up to the break point in front of the door without it tearing into the stairwell wall.

I was able to hide it a bit by applying the roof shingle material to the gutter.

I guess this is as close as I can get with this software unless you have more suggestions.

 

Would I have this same problem if I had the pro version of the software?

I feel like it's kind of a bug that the software doesn't respect the exterior wall and ploughs roof through it.

 

Can you explain how you were suggesting to fake the shed roof over the curved stairwell well?

 

 

 

 

[Jo_Ann]

When you run into a problem, you should close the file without saving it.

That way, you can try again, with the fix.

 

The software is not the problem, it is an operator problem.

Pro will cause the same situation.

You need to deal with the current issues before trying to jump onto another area.

 

Pay attention that the long room divider wall is still connecting to the front door wall, to continue to create the porch room.

[Jo_Ann]

Look at this example, and pay attention to the 2 room divider walls (orange & blue), and their position, and what the 3D image looks like.

Also pay attention to the dashed green roof lines.

Play with that until you get it right.

[BraveUserMike]

Doing that, to get the roof ridge across the main 1st floor to continue across as one ridge I have to move the orange room divider well forward of the curved stairwell wall so I end up with roof in front of the curved wall in the plan where it doesn't exist in real life.

 

Have you been able to get the main roof right without getting roof in front of the stairs?

[Jo_Ann]

???

You can see the image I posted showing the position of the 2 walls (orange & blue).

Why, oh why, are you not following that?

[BraveUserMike]

because if I put it there the roof ridge over the main house breaks

that's why I asked you if you were able to do it without the roof line breaking

 

 

[Jo_Ann]

When you refer to the roof ridge "breaking"  you need to be more clear what you are referring to.

If you are meaning that raised section of the roof, , do you not remember how to adjust that?

[BraveUserMike]

Thank you,

 

I was completely fixated on making the section of roof that lowered with the fudging/tweaking around the stair come back in line with the rest of the 1st floor.  It never occurred to me to tweak the rest of the 1st floor to match.