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Keith_K

How do I get a brick course under plaster rendering and siding? :(

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Quite honestly when working with HD I think that my brain is forgetting more than I am learning.

 

On my current project which is the development of an existing gas station to (a)  improve the existing forecourt and shop and (B) convert the exiting workshops into housing units.

 

As you will see from the bit of the drawing I have attached there are a few courses of brick below the rendered rest of the exterior walls.  None of the exterior walls will be demolished so I need to show the exposed brick on the elevations of the new plans.

 

When it comes to the shop section which is attached to the main block of other buildings (and will eventually sit at an angle to the main block once I have done all the rooms and stuff in the main block) there is also a course of exposed brick.  In my new drawings I have used siding as the material for the exterior wall in the wall specs for the shop frontage because I thought that this would be the easiest and then I tried to make the brick courses using the wallcovering wotsit on the wall specifications.  I purposely used a different brick to that specified for the stem walls so that any change would be obvious.  This works to an extent but the bricks "bleed" into the siding.

 

I have fiddled with the foundations.  I have tried raising the stem wall.  I have tried making the floor sit flush with the stem wall not on top of it (and this is where my greatest memory lapse became apparent) and I now need a beer.

 

I have just spent three hours trying various things to get this right and I am numb from the top of my head to my shoulders, including my brain.  This numbness might, as is often the case, made me ramble unintelligently so that no one really understands what I am trying to do but for the sake of my sanity I hope I have expressed myself properly.

 

What must I do the achieve this?  :(

 

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For the   Brick under the Render , you just need to make the Wall a Pony Wall with Brick as the bottom 400-500mm , see pics.

 

I redefined the Ghosting Wall (z-fighting) so it was 90mm block and 10mm siding and set the material back to default (siding) as you had changed it to BeachWalk BricK and it seems to be better, you might want to make your wall layers as they are in real life, rather than 100mm thick siding or your interior walls that are 100mm thick Colour ( no material ie Plasterboard) , that way they should join up better too.

 

Your walls are not on the foundation , see the pics , but I am still looking into that , got to go now.

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Foundation Followup 

 

you had unchecked the option to center the foundation on the Main Layer ....re check that box in Build Foundation DBX and rebuild , you also have Sill plates ON (bottom of Build foundation DBX) though I assume the brick is right on the foundation Wall, so uncheck that too before you rebuild the foundation.

 

Also I assume being a garage etc that the floor is a thick Concrete Slab ? looks like you set a 200mm one in the foundation defaults   but it should be done on your Level 1 Floor Default , is set for a Floor of 300mm  I-Joists with 18mm OSB subfloor.

 

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Wood Floor

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floor 1 set to 200 mm concrete

 

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Thanks Mick.  I have done the pony wall as you suggested.  Why I as getting my knackers in a knot was that I had achieved the same effect using the stem wall in the very first plan somewhat complicated learning curve I ever did when I bought HD Pro 2013 (see attachment) and I was trying the do the same but couldn't remember how I did it.

 

The floors are 300mm made up of a layer of concrete and a layer of compressed hardcore.  I have changed the setting to reflect that (see attachment) but I am still unable to get the floor to sit level with the top of the stem wall and not on top of it.  Here again I have managed this before but have forgotten how.

 

The foundations are now perfect. :blink:

 

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Keith,

You mentioned using the stem wall to get the brick finish above ground level, and maybe this is how you did it?

 

The room is set as a 'garage' type room, and the stem walls are manipulated in the level 1 room dbx. 

Try it in a new sample plan and see if it triggers a distant memory. :)

 

This method does not use the pony walls.

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You should be able to get settings out of your old Plan and reuse them if needed though  on the plan I have your stemwalls are out of the ground see the pics , you can tell I used a different brick , so you could see the Ponywalls. those are massive Footings you have , peaty ground or something? 

 

I think you need the Hang 1st floor inside foundation setting in the Foundation DBX , not sure that is the best way but worked when I tried it in your plan.     (Pics)

 

I am curious why after your last Post the single level Service Block is not at 9.5° to the main buildings ?

 

Also what are you calling hardcore?  blacktop/asphalt?

 

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Yo Mick!

 

The method I used previously to get the stem wall to pop above ground level was probably by sheer accident given that I was just starting to use the software.  I’ll go back to that plan and see whether I can figure out what I did but the pony wall I have now used will suffice for the purpose.

 

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When I was having the problem yonks ago with the floor/stem wall relationship Support gave me suggestions of how to correct it.  I printed them off and it’s just a case of finding where I have put them.  You speak in tongues though when you talk about “hanging walls” because the specification images you use don’t look anything like the one that I have on Pro 2014 (see attachments).  Did you use a newer version than mine to fiddle?  Using the “floor supplied by the foundation room below” option does lift the floor so that it is level with the top of the stem wall but everything else on the specification sheet is then greyed out and can’t be changed.

 

The reason for the shop (now a toilet block with a store room and outdoor storage area) are not at an angle yet is because I want to do the floor layouts and everything first and need to be able to see correct dimensions.  If you remember from the previous topic once the angle is done it isn’t possible to use the dimension tools as they don’t like things being cock-eyed.  I will also save the current right angled drawing to show the gas station owners And maybe even local building control) what the dimensions are because none will show properly on the drawings once the angling has been done

 

Hardcore is the name given in this part of the world to the infill of materials such as broken bricks, stone or concrete, which are hard and do not readily absorb water or deteriorate. This hardcore is spread over the site within the external walls of the building to such thickness as required to raise the finished surface of the site concrete. The hardcore is spread until it is roughly level and rammed until it forms a compact bed for the oversite concrete. This hardcore bed is usually from 100 to 300 mm thick and is overlaid with a DP membrane before the concrete floor is poured.  If the materials of the hardcore are hard and irregular in shape they will not be a ready path for moisture to rise by capillarity. ;) 

 

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Sorry  I can't open your plans in Pro 10 so I have to Use CA Premier and I guess that's a new addition or Premier feature only?   however in your 1st image doesn't the "Slab at top of stem wall" option work for you? ( it's unchecked) 

 

I hadn't noticed the Dims not working on the angled plan we did .......

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thanks for the explanation of Hardcore 

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Yes, it does. :rolleyes: Thank you! Oh! The joy of having a second brain and pair of eyes! My septuagenarian grey matter interpreted that little box to mean that the floor would sit on top of the stem wall. I will have to teach it to recognise that "at" and "on" have entirely different meanings.
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