Thank you so very much Mick. I have read those articals and tried what they said but I was using Home designer Architect I now have HomeD pro so will read them again. I have printed the Guide and the referance manual up to page 895. Will buy more ink today. The manuals will not save to my computer I dont know why. I appreciate your time. Its 8am here was around 5.30am in Australia when I posted so was not expecting such a quick reply.