BraveUserMike

Thank you, I was completely fixated on making the section of roof that lowered with the fudging/tweaking around the stair come back in line with the rest of the 1st floor. It never occurred to me to tweak the rest of the 1st floor to match.

because if I put it there the roof ridge over the main house breaks that's why I asked you if you were able to do it without the roof line breaking

Doing that, to get the roof ridge across the main 1st floor to continue across as one ridge I have to move the orange room divider well forward of the curved stairwell wall so I end up with roof in front of the curved wall in the plan where it doesn't exist in real life. Have you been able to get the main roof right without getting roof in front of the stairs?

Hey Jo Ann, When you did it were you able to get it to keep the roof line over the main house? The roof line broke for me. I was able to get it back by defining a small open below room in the 2nd floor behind the front door and adjusting the ceiling height; however this separated the little section of roof around the curved wall from the main roof line. I couldn't come up with anyway to get the roof from the main house to continue up to the break point in front of the door without it tearing into the stairwell wall. I was able to hide it a bit by applying the roof shingle material to the gutter. I guess this is as close as I can get with this software unless you have more suggestions. Would I have this same problem if I had the pro version of the software? I feel like it's kind of a bug that the software doesn't respect the exterior wall and ploughs roof through it. Can you explain how you were suggesting to fake the shed roof over the curved stairwell well?

Okay, so if I pull the room divider away until the overhang is no longer hitting the stairwell an attic wall that is defined as a stem wall shows up with a hip roof on it on the ground and the section of roof over the main house between the 2nd floor and the porch roof breaks with the main roof line. I guess I can add invisible 2nd floor walls to define an open below room over the area and adjust the ceiling height to bring the main roof all back in line then bring the edge of the porch back to where it is supposed to be?

And here's what I have in the plan before I start dragging the room divider the defines the side of the porch away from the half wall.

Okay, I’m going to follow your directions and hopefully it will become clear to me what you meant about my measurements but I’m skeptical. As far as I can tell my measurements are pretty accurate. The porch edge of the porch slab/the half wall touch up against the curved wall. The roof line from over the main house comes down to infront of the curved wall where it meets the gable over the porch. There is a 2 foot overhang that buts up against the stairwell. Everything is laid out in the plan just like it is in real life except in the plan the roof plows through the wall instead of butting up against it.

Hey Jo Ann, can you explain more thoroughly? I changed the half wall into a room divider wall already. Which measurements need revision? Which wall needs to be moved and where to?

I replaced the half wall between the edge of the porch and the curved stairwell wall with a room divider and no change. I rebuilt the foundation again and no change. I changed the porch room to a patio room and rebuilt the foundation, then to a slab and rebuilt the foundation, still no change. I can't figure out how to get it not to plow rough through my stairwell.

The extra gable on the end of the 2nd floor was a tiny misalignment between the actual 2nd floor wall and the wall I added to define the fake room behind the actual 2nd floor.

I think it would help me a lot to know the correct way to design the stairwell. Should I be drawing all the walls for the stairwell on both the 1st and 2nd floor? Should I use room dividers to define sections of the stair well as rooms so I can set ceiling heights? I understand stairs can automatically cut their way through floors, do they cut their way through walls? Should I build the stairs before the roof? Here are some photos of the actual stairs

Oh my goodness, thank you! It was the unchecking no room definition I was missing. I had put a wall on the 2nd floor extending the right exterior wall of the 2nd floor a bunch of times before with no effect. Defining the room is what made the difference. I left the ridgeline wall on the 2nd floor as a hip wall. made the back wall between the house and the roof covered patio on the 2nd floor a knee wall added the wall behind the right wall of the 2nd floor to enclose the room copy and pasted the autogenerated leftmost wall over the roof covered patio to make sure the gable length remained the same on both roof lines and it was golden All that's left now is the stairs

Yep, back to trying and trying and trying different things to get a single roof ridge across the 2nd floor without success. This time I'm going to call it quits and go to bed.

As an experiment I deleted the stairwell and enclosed part of the planter with an invisible wall in line with the break in the half wall that separates the planter from the porch. This made the entire 1st floor roof line to the right of the 2nd floor correct. It did not correct the 2nd floor roof line

I tried pushing the location of the break in the invisible wall on the front porch around some more to see the effect. With large changes you could see the 1st floor roof line move either forwards or backwards but no changes in the 2nd floor roof line. Looking at the stairs more closely you can see a downward slope of gable going through the stair wall. It also looks like there is an upwards slope of gable sticking out of the roof just a little bit

Working from v3 where the 2nd floor has a roof: Set section of exterior 2nd floor south wall between front corner of bedroom and stairs to full gable Set invisible wall in middle of stairs to full gable Set section of exterior wall past stairs to full gable This gives a gable roof line on the south wall of the 2nd floor but the roof ridge too low. The roof ridge should be in line with the rest of the 2nd floor. Working from v4 Setting the same sections of the 2nd floor south wall to full gable has the same result except for the hole in the middle. Going back and adjusting the position of the invisible wall that defines the front porch .. up to 5' 1" makes the hole smaller down to 5' 7/8" makes the hole go away At this point setting the front wall of the 2nd floor bedroom to full gable works

So I decided to try to work my way in from the south side. I turned on reference floor display and added a break in the invisible wall defining the front porch in line with the front of the front wall of the 2nd floor. I section the section of the invisible wall defining the patio to full gable. This corrected the 1st floor roof line from the south wall all the way past where it should meet the 2nd floor roof. Except you can see a hint of a ridge line following up from the master bath front gable. I started adjusting the position of the break in the invisible wall that defines the front porch. Up to 5' 7/8" back from the front of the porch the ridge extends from the master bath gable. 5' 1" and over the ridge extends from the front porch gable. At 5' 7/8" inches I get an error message "Error in side ridges while producing a roof plane. After the error the 1st floor roof is completely correct and the middle of the 2nd floor roof is gone. I did a save as v4 here then an undo and save as over v3 so I have both versions to try to work from.

Next I thought I would try getting the rest of the 2nd floor corrected. I tried setting the section of south wall of the 2nd floor that is behind the stairs to full gable. It made a little gable over that little section, nothing approaching joining the 1st floor roof so I undid. There are two sections of auto generated wall behind the 2nd floor back wall. I tried setting them to gable along with the section of the south 2nd floor wall and that didn't work so I undid. I tried deleting the auto generated walls and with autoregenerate roofs on they immediately come back. Nothing I tried worked so I closed and went back to the save after adding the gable to the front of the bathroom. I added the gable to the front porch. So now I'm back to guessing and trial and error about what to do next.

Next I've switched over to the south exterior wall. exterior wall past the break that lines up with the 2nd floor wall>full gable invisible wall that defines the patio under the roof>full gable That gave me a correct roof line on the south wall excluding the front wall of the bathroom, only as far in as a few feet past the south wall. Then I added the gable on the front bathroom wall

I verified that the wall breaks in the North and South exterior walls still existed and lined up with the 2nd story front wall. Then I started with at the garage side 1)1st floor living room wall>full gable 2)1st floor invisible wall defining under roof patio>full gable 3)2nd floor bedroom wall>full gable That gave me a correct roof line on the north side of house, except the garage 4) front wall of garage>full gable That gave me a correct roof line on the entire north side of the house as far in as the roof ridge of the garage. 5) I tried setting the front wall of the 2nd floor bedroom to the right of the garage to full gable and it didn't make the change in the perspective view so I undid and will move on to somewhere else for now.

1) while on floor 1: build>floor>build foundation>radio left on monolithic slab, click ok I notice that the pool deck has gotten out of line with the house and under roof patio so I undo, correct the pool deck, and redo step 1 2)switch back to 1st floor, build>roof>build roof>select auto rebuild roofs, click ok 3)Edit>Reset to Default>select radio for all floors, select check box for Roof Directives in Walls, click ok 4) Tools>Display Options>uncheck dimensions automatic, dimensions manual, roof planes (roof baselines was already unchecked),room labels, room interior dimensions (other two were already unchecked), I also unchecked CAD default to hide the survey, click ok 5)View>uncheck reference grid 6)Perspective Full View tiled vertically 7)Saved

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Hey y-g-m-n, Thank you for suggestions, I originally drew these plans in 2019 and i wasn’t at all concerned about the roofs at the time. In 22 I designed a kitchen remodel in them and still wasn’t worried about the roof. The staircase and stairwell were part of one of those efforts and I don’t even remember which. I’m trying to finish and correct the main house layout as part of the current effort and I’m definitely having problems with and around the stairs. There were stairs in the staircase from whenever I originally did the plans but I deleted them as part of the process of trying to get this area right. I’m not sure what walls I should be drawing before putting the stairs and what I should leave for the stairs to auto-generate. I’m not sure if I should build the stairs before the roof or vice versa. As built the 1st floor section of stairs and the landing are 42” side and the 2nd floor section of stairs is 40” wide. I’m not sure if I should be working with the as built dimensions or start with 42 and 42. The curved wall of the stairwell is some sort of concrete, definitely thinner than standard cbs walls of the 1st floor exterior but definitely concrete. It intersects the cbs wall of the front door, the exterior wall of the bedroom, and the the interior wall of the closet in that bedroom. The same upstairs. The exterior walls upstairs are stucco not cbs so the interior dimensions change. That obviously plays into the 40” wide steps on the 2nd floor vs 42 on the 1st floor and back to my question of do I design it as 42 and 42 or 42 and 40. The short wall that separates the planter from the porch buts up against and maybe commingles with the edge of the curved wall on the 1st floor A lot of things intersect here and the software is obviously not happy with it. The 1st floor section of the stairwell has a shed roof on it. I’m not sure if the software can handle having the curved all as a gable wall under a shed roof or not. Sometimes when I build the roof the joint between the curved wall and the front door wall gets pulled apart and a big chunk of the interior looses its room definition. I know I need to do something different but I have so many things I’m not certain about how they work coming together at the same time I don’t how to work the problem.

show off, lol I was up all night..... and I have.....