dmacgregor

That's right Jo-Ann. But for a $50k-70K project it's not worth the price of a bad design.

The one on the right looks much better.

I'm beginning to understand the steps you took to create it although Suites probably can't do that.

I'll try to incorporate your ideas into my original plan and if Suites can't do it, so be it.

An extended porch roof over only the entry door and porch might be a good idea. We'll study it.

Good thought tho'.

The whole exercise is to give our draftsman a rough idea of what were going for.

We want to go for trusses if we can. We lose out on the garage overhead storage but I understand it's also cheaper.

Thanks very much for your time and ideas They are very helpful

Cheers

Doug

34 minutes ago, DavidJPotter said:

Right or wrong, that design is bad architecture, it unecessarily creates a huge "Dead Valley" between the garage and entry which is bound to become a leaky roof at some point. In any case, you may have noticed that Jo Ann has been using a copy of Home Designer Pro trial software. Home Designer Suite is not capable of the roof design you seem to want to have. You will need to upgrade to Home Designer Pro and then learn its manual roof tools to get this design work done IMHO.

 

DJP

Thank you for your opinion David. It is appreciated.

Doug

Thank you Eric but we have only a limited amount of money to do this and adding even more elements is not possible.

Cheers.

Doug

Boy! Do I feel stupid. I was looking at it backwards.

Sorry.

Must be this dreary Sunday weather.

Thanks.

Edit:

This is the way I meant to draw it but it still doesn't match the graphic.

19 hours ago, LawB10 said:

I think this is what he's trying to do...You have to delete the second floor garage and resize the studio.

 

Now that I look at your design, I am beginning to like it.

You see my main concern was in losing the entrance roof. I re-shingled it only 2 years ago and it cost me $1,000.

Jo-Ann got it right. Hers was exactly the design I was going  for.

Now I realize that the overhang would have to be trimmed back and the gable end touching it would need to be sheathed and sided before installation

and it would require some flashing as well.

It looks kind of funky but I have never been one to shy away from radical designs.

But your design, if I am reading it right, lets me keep that entrance roof and just "over-truss" it.

It makes the roof over the Studio make more sense.

If you still have that design I would love to see the plan file for it.

I am getting a bit more comfortable with roof design after viewing more tutorials.

When you said "resize the studio" to what were you referring? The foundation is already there "dog run" and it is 11' X 11'.

Entrance is 6' X 16' and the garage is 24' X 24'.

Doug

The bird's mouth for that rafter is supposed to "hug" the top plate, is it not?

The "notch" or "bird's mouth" is supposed to have a cutout parallel with the top plate and a vertical cut perpendicular to it on the inside of the top plate, not the outside of it.

Just a minor point but I noticed it right away.

I don't usually zoom in to the framing that much but I just happened to and something struck me as not right.

Cheers.

I am going through the tutorials very carefully so as to understand the Suites better.

I have come across an anomaly on rafter framing. Maybe someone  can explain.

I created a basic rectangular one-story house with a gable roof.

When I view the framing of the roof rafters, it appears that the bird's mouths are not sitting on the

top plates.

Is this an error ?

Thanks.

Doug

3 hours ago, Jo_Ann said:

I'm really hoping that this is not what you are trying to do.

Send me the plan and I'll have a look.

Here's the garage without a roof. If I try and put a roof on it, it messes up the entrance roof.

How do I put a roof on the garage with 2 gable ends without messing up the roof next to it?

Roof Test D.plan

Do you see the current roof line of the roof over the entrance?

It stays that way.

The garage is built right next to it with 2 gable ends.

The overhang of the entrance roof will be trimmed back to the exterior wall - in other words no overhang.That roof will meet one of the gable ends of the garage.

The studio roof will be a continuation of the roof over the entrance - same pitch (look at the picture with the red circles of the back of the house).

The ridge line of the studio roof will actually be the continuation of the ridge line of the entrance roof where it meets the side of the house on the 2nd floor.

You almost had it right both times but in the first one you changed the pitch of the entrance roof and in both you did not have 2 gable ends for the garage.

Here's a plan without the garage.

I will try and build the garage.

Roof Test B.plan

No. The garage has gable ends at both ends.

Yes but the pitch on the roof should be what it is now - 3 in 12 with no overhang in the front or back.

Thanks for the tip but I would prefer to work on a smaller or simpler version of my plan. I also helps me learn faster because I can follow the progression of my steps.

The full plan contains elements which I have yet to fully understand.

Now, if you look at the rear of the house, the left side of the roof over what I have indicated as the Studio needs to be continued all the  way to the front of the house

as is shown in the photograph. Please note that the photograph is the current state of the house without the garage and with a dog run where the studio will go.

My plan make it look like some opened up the front of that roof with a can opener and I can't make it match the plane of the studio roof. It did before I put in the garage roof.

See the attached pictures.

Thanks for your help.

Hi Jo_Ann.

I am working with a "skeleton plan" so as not to bugger up my full plan which  you and Solver and LawB10 helped me with

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I have attached the full Plan. I have also attached a photo of the current house to give you an idea of what the roof over the entrance looks like.

Macgregor-1-1(4).plan

Hello.

I have been experimenting with my roof design to try and match what I need.

I need the front roof over the entrance to match the pitch and slope of the back studio roof.

I've got part of it but I can't seem to get the front to match the back.

Can someone help me?

Thanks.

Doug

Roof Test.plan

25 minutes ago, LawB10 said:

Is the concrete structure with the fence, the dog run?  If so that's why I put the utility room there.

The garage roof is on the second floor, that's where you change the pitch. 6" is about as high you should go.

OK. Done. I increased the pitch from 4 to 6

Super job LawB10. Much appreciated.

What I am learning is that the simplest solution is not always the best one.

i just wish there was a package where I could just grab walls and roofs with the mouse and drag them to where I want them, like the heights of walls

and pitches of roofs. In this age of the mouse (last 28 years) that should be possible.

Thanks again.

.

1 hour ago, solver said:

 

Not sure which plan you are using, but make sure you are changing the uppermost floor walls.

LawB10 beat you to it. I guess I didn't get that far in the Tutorials. I was only familiar with one story roofs.

1 hour ago, Jo_Ann said:

This was my 1st version of the house.

Nice job Jo-Ann. Thank you.

You even got the soffit  wings correct.

22 minutes ago, LawB10 said:

Is the concrete structure with the fence, the dog run?  If so that's why I put the utility room there.

The garage roof is on the second floor, that's where you change the pitch. 6" is about as high you should go.

The concrete structure with the fence is the dog run, yes. It will be turned into a study when the garage is built.

Thank you very much.

I don't know what the Utility room was on the side of the garage so I took it out.

I'm trying to change the pitch of the garage roof (steeper) so I changed 8" to 10" in both side walls and it didn't change the pitch of the roof.

This is what I'm talking about.

I just spent 2 days trying to learn everything I could from tutorials about roofs and now it doesn't work on your plan.

Frustrating to say the least.

Quick question.

How do I raise/lower the height of a wall?

I'm very close in the back to matching the roof lines.

3414 Panmure Road with garage-3.plan

Thank you LawB10.

I will try your suggestions tomorrow.

I appreciate you taking the time on a weekend to help me.

Cheers

Got the Painter Tool OK.

The plan you sent me is very close. and I thank you for that.

The garage roof needed to be rotated 90 degrees so I did.

What I could not figure out is that you have the garage door wall set as a Gable Wall as well as the opposite wall next to the entry, yet those aren't showing as gable walls in the perspective. And the other two walls are not set as gable walls, yet the are showing as gable walls. It seems all bass ackwards.

I'm still not sure how I'm going to roof the Entry and Study - I'll have to do that on the  fly with the draftsman or architect.

I've tried all sorts of different things for the back roof trying to get it to match yours and figure out what exactly you did.

I could use yours but then I wouldn't learn how you did it.

I used to be a programmer early on in my career so I know what can happen.

Is my assertion about pitch correct or am I off base?

Cheers

3414 Panmure Road with garage-2.plan

I am making progress.

I finally got the hang of Wall Breaks.

I am having a problem with the roof pitches at the back of the house.

On the left hand side where it says "Open Below" the pitch indicated on the back wall is 4 in 12.

For the rest of the back of the house, the pitch indicated on the back wall is 6 in 12, yet in the

Perspective view they look to have the same pitch and are even for the  full width of the house.

I don't understand. Isn't pitch absolute? A 4 in 12 is a 4 in 12 no matter where it starts, yes?

I don't understand how two sections of roof adjacent to each other can have different pitches but be level with each other.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks

3414 Panmure Road with garage-2.plan

OK. This is even stranger.

I can do it in Pro 2018 Trial but I  can't do it in 2018 Suites (purchased).

Is there a logical reason for this?